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- inquiry January 2011
- LordBalto October 2011
- transparent January 2011
- zcopley January 2011
Wikileaks - "Wiki of the Damned" (Dave Emory)
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Interesting:
[T]his broadcast examines an intelligence–connected mind control cult with which WikiLeaks kingpin Julian Assange appears to be affiliated. As well connected as it is ruthless and criminal, the Santiniketan Park Association of Anne Hamilton-Byrne conditioned children with drugs, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, torture and ritual sexual abuse in order to produce subjects who bent to the will of the group’s leader.
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http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-724-wiki-of-the-damned/ -
Wonder how much he was exposed to / part-of this cult...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
"Assange's parents ran a touring theatre company. In 1979, his mother remarried; her new husband was a musician who belonged to a controversial New Age group led by Anne Hamilton-Byrne"
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The Family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiniketan_Park_Association
"The children’s identities were changed using false birth certificates or deed poll, all being given the surname 'Hamilton-Byrne' and dressed alike even to the extent of their hair being dyed uniformly blonde."
The Family cult's secrets exposed
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/the-family-cults-secrets-exposed/story-e6frf7kx-1225761971443
"Unseen, Uheard, Unknown"
http://www.leavingsiddhayoga.net/unseen.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Unseen-Unheard-Sarah-Hamilton-Byrne/dp/0140174346 -
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"What will the Wikileaks debacle herald?
"You guessed it--the last bastion of freedom of information and expression, a free Internet, will topple. After all, if information is now the enemy, we must carefully police any and every aspect of this dangerous medium--all for the safety and protection of 'we the people'.
"Oh, we'll still have the Internet, just like you can still fly. You'll just have to be on the "approved" list, screened, stamped, zapped, mugged and molested if you want to get "on the net". No biggie. Thanks Julian--job well done.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/story/294/056/Is_the_Internet_9_11_Under_Way.html -
[quote author=zcopley link=topic=601.msg2775#msg2775 date=1291597137]
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"What will the Wikileaks debacle herald?
"You guessed it--the last bastion of freedom of information and expression, a free Internet, will topple. After all, if information is now the enemy, we must carefully police any and every aspect of this dangerous medium--all for the safety and protection of 'we the people'.
"Oh, we'll still have the Internet, just like you can still fly. You'll just have to be on the "approved" list, screened, stamped, zapped, mugged and molested if you want to get "on the net". No biggie. Thanks Julian--job well done.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/story/294/056/Is_the_Internet_9_11_Under_Way.html
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With respect this is a trifle unfair.
Wikileaks may be used as the excuse to close up the internet, but please, do not pretend it is anything other than an excuse for what they were going to do anyway. If it was not Wikileaks it would be something else, whether real or imagined.
Wikileaks, contrary to some cynical commentators has not told us what we already knew - in fact is has confirmed what we had guessed and has made non-denial denials of much concerning War and Diplomacy untenable concerning these matters -
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[quote author=zcopley link=topic=601.msg2775#msg2775 date=1291597137]
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"What will the Wikileaks debacle herald?
"You guessed it--the last bastion of freedom of information and expression, a free Internet, will topple. After all, if information is now the enemy, we must carefully police any and every aspect of this dangerous medium--all for the safety and protection of 'we the people'.
"Oh, we'll still have the Internet, just like you can still fly. You'll just have to be on the "approved" list, screened, stamped, zapped, mugged and molested if you want to get "on the net". No biggie. Thanks Julian--job well done.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/story/294/056/Is_the_Internet_9_11_Under_Way.html
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With respect this is a trifle unfair.
Wikileaks may be used as the excuse to close up the internet, but please, do not pretend it is anything other than an excuse for what they were going to do anyway. If it was not Wikileaks it would be something else, whether real or imagined.
Wikileaks, contrary to some cynical commentators has not told us what we already knew - in fact is has confirmed what we had guessed and has made non-denial denials of much concerning War and Diplomacy untenable concerning these matters
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Good points. However, just to play devil's advocate for a sec: what if, instead of being a third party, Wikileaks is the governments' mechanism for actually accomplishing what they intended to do; that is, it's a manufactured scapegoat?
Several people have pointed out that Wikileaks "revelations" actually reinforce existing discredited propaganda, such as that there were WMDs in Iraq.
See:
"Cass Sunstein introduced Wikileaks"
http://www.elusivetruth.com/?tag=cass-sunstein-introduced-wikileaks
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"An Open Letter to Glenn Greenwald on the Subject of Wikileaks: Just… Stop."
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/an-open-letter-to-glenn-greenwald-on-the-subject-of-wikileaks-just-stop/
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"Wikileaks Unlike Cryptome" (Wikileaks background most people aren't aware of)
http://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-unlike.htm
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[quote author=zcopley link=topic=601.msg2775#msg2775 date=1291597137]
Good points. However, just to play devil's advocate for a sec: what if, instead of being a third party, Wikileaks is the governments' mechanism for actually accomplishing what they intended to do; that is, it's a manufactured scapegoat?
Several people have pointed out that Wikileaks "revelations" actually reinforce existing discredited propaganda, such as that there were WMDs in Iraq.
See:
"Cass Sunstein introduced Wikileaks"
http://www.elusivetruth.com/?tag=cass-sunstein-introduced-wikileaks
and
"An Open Letter to Glenn Greenwald on the Subject of Wikileaks: Just… Stop."
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/an-open-letter-to-glenn-greenwald-on-the-subject-of-wikileaks-just-stop/
and
"Wikileaks Unlike Cryptome" (Wikileaks background most people aren't aware of)
http://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-unlike.htm
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You make good points too, and there is no need to play "Devil's Advocate" especially when we have no idea who the Devil is here.
I am not sure what you mean by "Government" here. Do you mean the official "elected Government of the USA" or do you mean shadow Government working it's own agenda against official Governments. Or are we all reading articles by two factions competing for control of shadow Government.
I doubt very much this will be easily resolvable into; Wikileaks: Black or White?
The slowness of release arguments against Wikileaks I find compelling, even more tantalising is the witholding of leaks concerning one of the biggest banks. Instinct tells me that boardroom leaks would be the most explosive of all. -
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You make good points too, and there is no need to play "Devil's Advocate" especially when we have no idea who the Devil is here.
I am not sure what you mean by "Government" here. Do you mean the official "elected Government of the USA" or do you mean shadow Government working it's own agenda against official Governments. Or are we all reading articles by two factions competing for control of shadow Government.
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Yeah, I meant the secret/shadow/unelected govt. or a faction thereof (I was assuming that's what you meant when you said, "they").
I doubt very much this will be easily resolvable into; Wikileaks: Black or White?
Agreed. Whatever the specific propaganda goals behind the releases, the release of some of the cables -- the clearly legit ones anyway -- is a good thing. It rocks the mainstream media boat pretty hard, which really needed a good rocking.
The slowness of release arguments against Wikileaks I find compelling, even more tantalising is the witholding of leaks concerning one of the biggest banks. Instinct tells me that boardroom leaks would be the most explosive of all.
Yeah, not exactly a "dump".
Wikileaks seems to be deliberately creating FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt). Bank of America's stock lost three points after Wikileaks' announcement it intends to release something about it. It's a bit scary. Can you imagine what would happen if BofA completely went under?
Apparently, they're pretty nervous... probably for good reason.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/bank-america-scurries-mount-defense-wikileaks-revelation/
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I think it all ties in nicely with this story on the Project Censored 2009-10 most under-reported list
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/3-internet-privacy-and-personal-access-at-risk/
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Listen to the interview with the webmaster of mediamonarchy.com on www.redicecreations.com from Sweden. He has the details about who Assange is.
Also before Wikileaks ever appeared as a website. Time magazine did a story about it and Assange. Why did they give it any attention at all? -
You guys all sound like Jim Fetzer/Alex Jones wackos. If Julian Assange is the product of some kind of new age mind control, maybe we all need to take the course.
