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- FightTheSpooks November 2009
- John Connolly October 2011
- kenkc December 2009
- PurpleHaze November 2009
- Traveller11 October 2011
- zcopley November 2009
A New Wrinkle in the JFK Assassination Story
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A recently declassified oral history by Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, President Kennedy's military aide on the Dallas trip, sheds new light on the critical hours after the shooting. McHugh makes startling claims about Lyndon Johnson's behavior in the wake of the assassination...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html -
[quote author=zcopley link=topic=410.msg1870#msg1870 date=1257057015]
A recently declassified oral history by Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, President Kennedy's military aide on the Dallas trip, sheds new light on the critical hours after the shooting. McHugh makes startling claims about Lyndon Johnson's behavior in the wake of the assassination...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html[/quote]
...the investigator noted that the General found Johnson "hiding in the toilet in the bedroom compartment and muttering, 'Conspiracy, conspiracy, they're after all of us."'
Do you think this is exculpatory of Johnson, Zach? If he thought "they" were after him, too...? He didn't look rattled or shook up when he was being sworn in. Just the opposite, I've always thought. -
[quote author=PurpleHaze link=topic=410.msg1879#msg1879 date=1257148551]
[quote author=zcopley link=topic=410.msg1870#msg1870 date=1257057015]
A recently declassified oral history by Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, President Kennedy's military aide on the Dallas trip, sheds new light on the critical hours after the shooting. McHugh makes startling claims about Lyndon Johnson's behavior in the wake of the assassination...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html[/quote]
...the investigator noted that the General found Johnson "hiding in the toilet in the bedroom compartment and muttering, 'Conspiracy, conspiracy, they're after all of us."'
Do you think this is exculpatory of Johnson, Zach? If he thought "they" were after him, too...? He didn't look rattled or shook up when he was being sworn in. Just the opposite, I've always thought.
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Prouty always made a point of saying LBJ was not involved in the assassination because shortly afterward he was recorded asking J Edgar Hoover if any of the shots were fired at him. I tend to take a different view if that question. You can take "Were any of the shots aimed at me?" to mean " Did I do everything you wanted me to do?"...Am I another target?... Am I next?
Just an observation but, in view of this latest news, it looks relavent. Of course you have to think as I do, that LBJ had something to do with it however minor. He at least knew it was going to happen and was doing his best to not be martyred. -
[quote author=PurpleHaze link=topic=410.msg1879#msg1879 date=1257148551]
...the investigator noted that the General found Johnson "hiding in the toilet in the bedroom compartment and muttering, 'Conspiracy, conspiracy, they're after all of us."'
Do you think this is exculpatory of Johnson, Zach? If he thought "they" were after him, too...? He didn't look rattled or shook up when he was being sworn in. Just the opposite, I've always thought.
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I don't know what to make of it. Maybe Johnson was having a nervous breakdown, regardless of his level of involvement. I find the story odd. And why was the interview classified until 2009? Weird. -
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[quote author=PurpleHaze link=topic=410.msg1879#msg1879 date=1257148551]
...the investigator noted that the General found Johnson "hiding in the toilet in the bedroom compartment and muttering, 'Conspiracy, conspiracy, they're after all of us."'
Do you think this is exculpatory of Johnson, Zach? If he thought "they" were after him, too...? He didn't look rattled or shook up when he was being sworn in. Just the opposite, I've always thought.
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I don't know what to make of it. Maybe Johnson was having a nervous breakdown, regardless of his level of involvement. I find the story odd. And why was the interview classified until 2009? Weird.
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That's a good question in and of itself. Who found it necessary to classify that information? Who benefitted from it's classification? hmmmmm -
Based on the amount of circumstantial evidence connecting Johnson to the assassination, as well as the hard evidence that connects his friend Mac to the sixth floor sniper's nest, I can't conclude that Johnson was "out of the loop".
WAS IT JOHNSON?
This is what makes me wonder, though:
If Mac Wallace was one of the shooters, then what does that say about the plot. It seems to indicate that Johnson was more of an organizer than a participant/accessory, which I don't buy. This was way bigger than Johnson, who was a Jesuit-trained Freemason. Johnson was just a part of the "global elite", and not a very high-level part.
My original impression of McHugh's account was that Johnson knew about the plot, but was so scared because of it, and having some kind of breakdown. However, if he provided one of the shooters (Mac Wallace) then why would he be afraid at all? Perhaps he knew that the CIA/Pentagon would have him killed in a second, had he become a liability to them. -
Lyndon knew he was being recorded. He could have been feigning innocence by asking if he was also a target.
Perhaps when Oswald was arrested rather than killed, LBJ saw that the case wasn't wrapped up, and he might be next fall guy in line. So he broke down. -
Hello
Speaking of saying odd things, I think Connally's remark "My God, they're going to kill us all!" ranks as being one of the oddest utterances of 22/11/63.
If I had just been shot, and had heard other shots, I'm sure a more likely thing to come out of my mouth would be "Holy crap! I think I've been shot!" or "What in the sam hell is going on?".
Just who are "they" that Connally was referring to, anyways?
Regards
Bob -
" Speaking of saying odd things, I think Connally's remark "My God, they're going to kill us all!" ranks as being one of the oddest utterances of 22/11/63."
I think what Connally actually meant to say was:-
" Goddamnit!! You're only supposed to shoot at the President!!" -
Read Phillip Nelson's book "LBJ The Mastermind Of JFK's Assassination". Nelson writes about the incident where Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh found Johnson in tears and blubbering in the toilet. LBJ was only doing what he was best at - acting. LBJ was always prone to bursting into tears. This "waterworks" trick was a feature of LBJ's "powers of persuasion". He tried this old ploy many times and used it on Bobby Kennedy at the time of his "selection" as JFK's Vice-President when Bobby went to Johnson to talk him out of accepting the "offer" of the Vice-Presidency. LBJ cried like a baby.
LBJ, himself, once said: "God damn a man who can't have good sob once in a while."
It seems that LBJ realized when Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh "found" him hiding in the toilet that
" his once in a while sob had come."
