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The purpose of Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History is to defend the integrity of the USG National Security State by grossly distorting its nature and function, by disguising that it is the servant of factions of the ruling classes within the United States, and by pretending that the people who control it did not and could not contemplate the assassination of a democratically elected President whose recalcitrant politics fell outside their parameters.
According to Bugliosi, only the lunatic can seriously entertain that Kennedy was murdered because he pursued détente with the USSR (and proposed a joint lunar mission with the Soviets), championed nuclear disarmament, decided not to back the invasion of the Bay of Pigs with US military might, made a peaceful resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis when the Joint Chiefs wanted invasion and war, and decided to withdraw US troops from Vietnam rather than pursue by brute force an imperial venture in Southeast Asia.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/BesmirchingHistory.html

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I think your thesis that Pres. Kennedy was a de facto cold warrior fails on several levels. In the first place, I have researched Pres. Kennedy's policies wrt NASA and the Apollo programme and it is fairly obvious to me that he would have shook up NASA from the top down (NSAM 271), not unlike his famous remark to scatter the CIA into a thousand pieces, after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. A joint moon mission with the Soviets? This is not what a cold warrior would have done in late 1963.
A cold warrior like Johnson did even want to think of space cooperation. OTOH, a cold warrior like Nixon could pick up JFK's mantle again and recast it ten years later, with the Apollo-Soyuz missions. Which is to say there is a big difference between a dumb cold warrior (LBJ) and a smart cold warrior (Nixon).
Nixon had the brains to make it happen, just like JFK would have made it happen, too. Just as Nixon recognized China instead of ostracizing it as the rightwing extremists wanted, I believe JFK would have done the same, whether it would have been a communist Vietnam or a communist China. Cold warrior? JFK was neither. He was in a class by himself. But he was definitely not a cold warrior.
Examine Vietnam,the nuclear test ban treaty, the secret Cuba negotiations. JFK may have wanted to project a public image to appease some of the conservatives, but he was working on a much more profound and deeper level than that. And you have to put it in historical context, as Jim Douglass did in his well-researched book. He concluded that JFK had a conversion at a certain point. He had turned away from the Cold War.
Clearly, we must draw a distinction, before and after this conversion. Politically, for JFK, 1961 and 1963 were as far apart as the night and day. If you freeze JFK in the time of 1961, yes, I suppose you could be right. But Kennedy never allowed his thinking and intellect to become so ossified as the rightwing had become at that same time. He evolved, and it was his revolution in thinking that created so much opposition against him.


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JFK came into office as a cold warrior, but by the time of his assassination he was not.
Many of the materials necessary to establish this fact are readily available to research for oneself, but if you want to skip a few steps you could read "Jfk and the Unspeakable" by Jim Douglass.
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JFK wasn't a peacenik, but his dealings with the Joint Chiefs had taught him they were maniacs willing to blow up the world, which he was not prepared to do. Although the American University speech goes pretty far in that direction and it seems clear that he was going to pull out in Vietnam.
It's possible that the Mossad played some role in the assassination, but basically I think it's a distraction. The level of control established on the day of the assassination points to an internal process. Mossad simply does not have control over the codebooks in the military planes, or the ability to shut down the phones in DC, or control the parade route, etc.
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No one is denying Angleton's role, or that of Sturgis. They don't work for the Mossad.

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Paraphrasing JFK:
This is like the Mossad 9/11 stuff. There is evidence to show that the Mossad were spying on the alleged hijackers and, indeed, Israel was one of the many countries to warn the U.S. about the terrorist attacks. That's not the same thing as causing the attacks.
These events are the result of internal processes. The people who work within these internal departments are the ones with the power to deliver the results we all see.

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I am indeed still around, but life's been insanely busy for me over the last couple of months. I am stretched in a hundred directions.
Getting back to this debate, however, I dislike getting into these sorts of discussions because I think they are pointlessly divisive. I am not arguing that the Mossad didn't have a role in the Kennedy assassination or 9/11 or that Israel does not have an influence on world politics wildly at odds with its size and population. However, if you've read my CTKA piece, you'll know that I am, as George Bush once declared, "a uniter."
That is, I think arguing about what percentage of the problem is created by the Mossad is not that helpful in the long run. It may come to be that every key position necessary to run 9/11 was owned by the Mossad; i.e., that Donald Rumsfeld is an Israeli asset, or so on. We're not going to establish that, however, except at the end of a real investigation. People get very hyped up by this, and it can go wrong; Eric Hufschmid in many ways has been discredited by his overly vociferous attacks on Israel and insistence that they are the key to everything. I reached out to Eric myself about this issue, and we had some back and forth, but there was no real resolution, because to him it's the most important issue. And it might be, but in my mind I can't say that because the evidence isn't there. The strongest evidence, in my view, is the lack of response by the defense department, which was commented on that day by the head of the Russian air force. There are other things too, which are well known, I am sure, to everybody here.
My whole point is that we both agree that a new investigation is needed, and research is ongoing, but if you make statements with insufficient evidence you run the risk of being charged with anti-semitism. And, rightly or wrongly, in today's culture that's like being called a pedophile. It will destroy your credibility forever. So it seems to me -- even in pure pragmatic terms -- that we should restrict ourselves to what we can generate the best evidence for in piece-by-piece terms. It's the way the earliest researchers attacked the Kennedy case, and they did such a good job that we know now that when Bugliosi writes a book arguing the other side, he is forced to obfuscate and twist the truth in knots because otherwise he can't make his case.
In any event, sorry about the long post. Hope this makes sense, it comes at the end of a long day. :)



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I hadn't heard that phone call before. That's the kind of lunacy I can do without...


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A member argues that JFK was behind the mayhem in Latin America. Incorrect. The mayhem doesn't begin until JFK is removed from the scene. Brazil falls almost immediately to a military coup with the rest of Latin America soon following. David Rockefeller's hands are tied by the Kennedy brothers and only by removing the brothers from power can David Rockefeller start his rape.
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This marks (at least) the second post where Purple Haze not only advocates McAdams' joke of a website, but now he also attempts to humanize McAdams himself. In the process, Purple Haze doesn't pass up the opportunity to throw in a back-handed swipe at Fletcher Prouty for good measure.
Does anybody know the number of a good exterminator? I smell a rat.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was on the IMDB website.
Right, Purple?
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I understand the frustration with the lop-sided MSM propaganda, but I hope that JFK assassination research doesn't devolve into being just another "faith-based religion." Everything should be challenged, and nothing taken for granted.
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author said:
I understand the frustration with the lop-sided MSM propaganda, but I hope that JFK assassination research doesn't devolve into being just another "faith-based religion." Everything should be challenged, and nothing taken for granted.
Religion is not based on facts. But the JFK assassination is based on facts. McAdams fudges those facts. With great relish. There is NO point in going to McAdams' website because we know he is a legendary disseminator of falsities. For you to encourage people to visit his website shows you are not interested in pursuing the truth. Further, by encouraging people to visit McAdams' website, you are exposing yourself as someone who has an ulterior agenda.
