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RFK Killer still alive?
  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
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    author said:


    Hi, codygirly. I don't know why Thane Eugene Cesar wasn't mentioned by name in this article.

    RFK killer may be living abroad, say authors
    By Ed Stannard, Register Metro Editor
    (excerpt)

    LEDYARD — The man who killed Robert F. Kennedy in 1968 may be living in the Philippines.

    Sirhan B. Sirhan sits in a California prison, serving a life sentence for RFK’s murder, but, according to two investigators, his gunshots could not have killed Kennedy.
    As Robert Joling and Philip Van Praag said numerous times during their presentation Tuesday at the 17th annual Arnold Markle Symposium, held at Foxwoods Resort Casino, “Don’t overlook the obvious.” The obvious, they say, is printed in Dr. Thomas Noguchi’s autopsy report: Kennedy’s fatal wounds came from a gun fired at point-blank range from behind, while Sirhan fired from in front of Kennedy, standing about 4 feet away.

    The obvious, they claim, also can be heard on an early cassette tape recording: There were at least 13 gunshots fired, while Sirhan’s .22-caliber Iver Johnson Cadet revolver could hold only eight bullets.

    Joling, a retired judge, and Van Praag, an expert in forensic sound analysis, presented their case at the symposium, sponsored by the Henry C. Lee Institute of Forensic Science at the University of New Haven.

    The title of their book, “An Open and Shut Case: How the Justice System Failed in the Robert F. Kennedy Assassination,” is based on a quote by the Los Angeles police chief.

    The most likely second gunman, according to Joling and Van Praag, was a security guard on his first — and last — day on the job. “I know who he is; I know where he lives,” Joling said, but added he has never interviewed the individual, believing that it wouldn’t prove or disprove his theory.

    Why would the guard shoot Kennedy? “I have passed that issue past a half-dozen renowned psychiatrists,” Joling said. He might have panicked, though Joling doubts it. “Beyond that, I know of no other excuse,” he said.

    (for money, maybe? ;-)

    Van Praag said the guard made statements about hating the Kennedys and blacks, and that he now lives in the Philippines. Afterward, Henry Lee said the most important piece of evidence presented was that RFK’s fatal wound was a “close-contact shot.”
  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
    Posts: 717
    This video, among others, were referred to in MinM's "Open and Shut Case" thread. Good stuff.



    This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

    I hate when that happens!
  • JFKRFK4EverJFKRFK4Ever
    Posts: 131
    Awesome stuff guys. Thank you for posting it. I hope one day Sirhan will tell his story.
  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
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    Barack Obama had better hope that Hillary doesn't have RFK's killer's phone number.  :o

    Clinton draws rebuke over RFK remark
    Fri May 23, 2008

    SIOUX FALLS, South Dakota (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton mentioned the June 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy in explaining on Friday why she had resisted calls to end her White House bid, drawing a rebuke from Democratic front-runner Barack Obama's campaign.

    Clinton, who later expressed regret over the remark, made it to the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper, the Sioux Falls Argus Leader, when explaining that other races for the Democratic presidential nomination had lasted into June.

    "My husband (Bill Clinton) did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," she said.

    "I don't understand it," Clinton said, referring to calls for her to pull out of the Democratic race in which the final nominating primaries are held on June 3 in South Dakota and Montana. The Democratic nominee will face Republican John McCain in the November election.

    Kennedy, brother of slain U.S. President John F. Kennedy and Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, was assassinated during his 1968 race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    Clinton's comments drew a sharp response from the Obama campaign.

    "Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

    Clinton told reporters later: "I regret if my referencing of that moment of trauma for our entire country and particularly the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I had no intention of that whatsoever."  http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2343646720080524

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    Hillary's Bizarre RFK Comment

    Though she has now apologized for that very strange and tasteless comment to the Argus-Leader, this was not the first time she's said it. This from her interview with TIME Managing Editor Richard Stengel, published March 6:

    TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

    CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

    Her excuse now is that the Kennedys have been "much on my mind these days" with the illness of Senator Edward Kennedy, but that doesn't explain what brought it to mind more than two months ago.

    http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/hillarys_bizarre_rfk_comment.html
  • JFKRFK4EverJFKRFK4Ever
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    I can't stand that woman. She has brought this up a total of FOUR damn times now. There are other historical examples she can draw from and why she has to continually bring up the RFK murder in association with this primary is beyond me. There is no good time to bring this up in my opinion. In my opinion Keith Olbermann said it better than I ever can.



  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
    Posts: 717
    author said:


    I can't stand that woman. She has brought this up a total of FOUR damn times now. There are other historical examples she can draw from and why she has to continually bring up the RFK murder in association with this primary is beyond me. There is no good time to bring this up in my opinion. In my opinion Keith Olbermann said it better than I ever can.



    I agree with you and Olbermann. Hillary's revealing herself to be quite the vulture, isn't she? I didn't think my opinion of her (or her hubby) could get any lower, but she's succeeded in shocking even jaded old me this year. I think Obama had better be very careful, and that he'd have to have a hole in his head to even consider Hillary as a running mate, because that's exactly what he'd probably end up receiving if she was the veep! The truth is, though, (IMHO) that we're screwed, no matter which of these Republicrat manure slingers we get stuck with.

    Four days till the next BlackOp drinking game... shit, maybe I'll just start early.  ;)
  • Re: Thane Eugene Caesar..I understand he took and passed a lie detector test, but was he ever asked to undergo hypno-regression like Sirhan did?  I have no doubt that he was a victim of an MK-Ultra program like Sirhan, so it makes sense he would pass a lie detector test.
  • author said:


    Re: Thane Eugene Caesar..I understand he took and passed a lie detector test, but was he ever asked to undergo hypno-regression like Sirhan did?  I have no doubt that he was a victim of an MK-Ultra program like Sirhan, so it makes sense he would pass a lie detector test.



    I don't get the impression that Cesar was in any kind of a trance state, like Sirhan was. I'm not sure how significant that is. Personally, I'm more inclined to think he was simply hired for the job, getting paid to kill someone that he already held in great disdain. Your point about the lie detector test is good, though.

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    Who is Thane Eugene Cesar?
    http://www.squidoo.com/thaneeugenecaesar

    CONSPIRACY TEST: THE RFK ASSASSINATION - 10 of 11


    CONSPIRACY TEST: THE RFK ASSASSINATION - 11 of 11


    "The denouement of Moldea's exploration of Cesar comes in the form of a much-touted polygraph test, which Cesar passed. Cesar had offered to take a polygraph in the past, but LAPD consistently avoided all opportunities to do so. Moldea claims that had Cesar failed his test, he would have pursued him to the ends of the earth. But since he passed, he concludes that Cesar is credible. He could have passed some of the questions he was asked whether he was the shooter or not."
    http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/coup.htm
  • Cesar hated the Kennedy brothers:

    And I definitely wouldn't have voted for Bobby Kennedy because he had the same ideas as John did and I think John sold the country down the road. He gave it to the commies. He gave it to whoever else you want him to. He gave it, he literally gave it to the minority. He says here, you take over. I'm giving it to you you run the white man. Nobody should be run. I'm not saying that the whites should be the slaves of the black or black the slaves of the white. But he turned the pendulum too far the other way.

    http://allenbranson.blogspot.com/2008/05/assassination-of-robert-kennedy-part-2.html



    Also, look at what kind of connections he had:

    As the only person in the pantry who was known to have carried a weapon, Cesar became a prime candidate for the second shooter. Twenty-six-year-old Thane Eugene Cesar worked on the assembly line at Lockheed Aircraft.

    http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=115654&bheaders=1



    Cesar worked for Lockheed Aircraft in nearby Burbank. According to interviews with fellow employees there, Cesar's job at Lockheed was unspecific, though he had access to the most high security areas.

    http://allenbranson.blogspot.com/2008/05/assassination-of-robert-kennedy-part-2.html



    While some have tried to make something of Cesar's short employment at Lockheed Skunk Works, I've always considered that a non-issue. I grew up in an area (The San Fernando Valley) that was the home to thousands of Skunk Work employees, of all stripes (groan) and sizes. Two of these employees were my step-father (who helped build and paint the planes) and the father of one of my girlfriends (an engineer who helped develop stealth technology).

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4055



    (2) I don't know that Cesar worked with any of the anti-Castro groups. At the time of the assassination he was moonlighting at Ace Security and working at the CIA's Skunk Works (the U-2 facility) at Lockheed in Burbank.

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=6491&view=findpost&p=59641




    (2) According to Lisa Pease, Thane Eugene Cesar had formerly worked at the Hughes Aircraft Corporation. Do you have any information on who Cesar worked for before 1968?

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=6491&view=findpost&p=59321



    So, Cesar was closely linked to the Military-Industrial Complex, particularly Lockheed, a defense contractor with close links to CIA/Military black operations/projects. Particularly, he was linked to the U-2 facility, which is very interesting, since Oswald also had links to U-2.

    As for Moldea, read this thread:
    http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44154#44154

    Moldea is an obvious agent of the intelligence community. He was involved in setting up Deborah Palfrey to be 'suicided'.

    As for the lie detector tests, they are not always reliable. The courts do not see them as reliable or admittable:
    http://www.dayafterindia.com/feb104/societyhealth.html
  • MinMMinM
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    Speaking of the Philippines:




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    Philippines: nothing can stop the basketball.