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Evidence that Ted Kennedy was Framed by CIA- Chappaquiddick
  • I came across this and thought it was very worth reading. It sounds really plausible to me. Please feel free to discuss your views. Please be fair.

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html#fn5

        Through the years the most common question of all has been: "If there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, why didn't Robert Kennedy find out about it and take some action? And if there was a conspiracy in the RFK assassination why haven't Ted Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy done something about it?" No one except the Kennedys know the answers to these questions for sure. However, there are plenty of clues and some other Power Control Group actions to provide the answers to us.
              First of all, thanks to Jackie Kennedy Onassis' butler in Athens, Greece, Christain Cafarakis, we know why Jackie did nothing after her husband's death. In a book published in 1972, Cafarakis tells about an investigation Jackie had conducted by a famous New York City detective agency into the assassination of JFK in 1964 and 1965.[1] It was financed by Aristotle Onassis and resulted in a report in the spring of 1965 telling who the four gunmen were and who was behind them. Jackie planned to give the report to LBJ but was stopped by a threat from the Power Control Group to kill her and her children. Ted, Bobby and other family members knew about the report and the threat.
              The second clue is Chappaquiddick. A careful examination of the real evidence in this event shows that Ted Kennedy was framed in the killing of Mary Joe Kopechne and then his life and his children's lives threatened if he ever told the truth about what happened. The facts in the case and the conclusions that can be drawn from them are contained in a book by Boston researcher Robert Cutler.[2]
              The third clue is Ted's withdrawal from the presidential race in November 1975. It is a fact that all of his and Robert's children were being protected by the Secret Service for five days in November 1975. A threat had been made against the children's lives unless he officially announced his withdrawal. He made the announcement and has stuck to it ever since. The Secret Service protection ended the day after he made the announcement.
              It does not seem likely that Senator Kennedy would withdraw from the race because of a threat from a lone nut or from some obscure group. He remembers the 1965 threat and Chappaquiddick very well. He knows about the Power Control Group and he knows their enormous capability. He knows what they did to his brothers. He has no choice but to hope that somehow, sometime, the Group will be exposed. But he dares not let them believe he would ever have anything to do with it. Publicly he will always have to support the Warren Commission and continue to state that he will not run for president. Privately he is forced to ask his closest friends and his relatives not to get involved with new investigations, and to help protect his children. Some of them know the truth. Others do not, and are puzzled by his behavior. They go along with it under the assumption that he has good and sufficient reasons not to open the can of worms represented by the conspiracies in his brother's deaths.
              The Power Control Group faced up to the Ted Kennedy and Kennedy family problem very early. They used the threat against the Kennedy children's lives very effectively between 1963 and 1968 to silence Bobby and the rest of the family and friends who knew the truth. It was necessary to assassinate Bobby in 1968 because with the power of the presidency he could have prevented the Group from harming the children. When Teddy began making moves to run for president in 1969 for the 1972 election, the Group decided to put some real action behind their threats. Killing Teddy in 1969 would have been too much. They selected a new way of eliminating him as a candidate. They framed him with the death of a young girl, and threw sexual overtones in for good measure.
              Here is what happened according to Cutler's analysis of the evidence. The Group hired several men and at least one woman to be at Chappaquiddick during the weekend of the yacht race and the planned party on the island. They ambushed Ted and Mary Jo after they left the cottage and knocked Ted out with blows to his head and body. They took the unconscious or semi-conscious Kennedy to Martha's Vineyard and deposited him in his hotel room. Another group took Mary Jo to the bridge in Ted's car, force fed her with a knock out potion of alcoholic beverage, placed her in the back seat, and caused the car to accelerate off the side of the bridge into the water. They broke the windows on one side of the car to insure the entry of water; then they watched the car until they were sure Mary Jo would not escape.
              Mary Jo actually regained consciousness and pushed her way to the top of the car (which was actually the bottom of the car -- it had landed on its roof) and died from asphyxiation. The group with Teddy revived him early in the morning and let him know he had a problem. Possibly they told him that Mary Jo had been kidnapped. They told him his children would be killed if he told anyone what had happened and that he would hear from them. On Chappaquiddick, the other group made contact with Markham and Gargan, Ted's cousin and lawyer. They told both men that Mary Jo was at the bottom of the river and that Ted would have to make up a story about it, not revealing the existence of the group. One of the men resembled Ted and his voice sounded something like Ted's. Markham and Gargan were instructed to go the the Vineyard on the morning ferry, tell Ted where Mary Jo was, and come back to the island to wait for a phone call at a pay station near the ferry on the Chappaquiddick side.
              The two men did as they were told and Ted found out what had happened to Mary Jo that morning. The three men returned to the pay phone and received their instructions to concoct a story about the "accident" and to report it to the police. The threat against Ted's children was repeated at that time.
              Ted, Markham and Gargan went right away to police chief Arena's office on the Vineyard where Ted reported the so-called "accident." Almost at the same time scuba diver John Farror was pulling Mary Jo out of the water, since two boys who had gone fishing earlier that morning had spotted the car and reported it.
              Ted called together a small coterie of friends and advisors including family lawyer Burke Marshall, Robert MacNamara, Ted Sorenson, and others. They met on Squaw Island near the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport for three days. At the end of that time they had manufactured the story which Ted told on TV, and later at the inquest. Bob Cutler calls the story, "the shroud." Even the most cursory examination of the story shows it was full of holes and an impossible explanation of what happened. Ted's claim that he made the wrong turn down the dirt road toward the bridge by mistake is an obvious lie. His claim that he swam the channel back to Martha's Vineyard is not believable. His description of how he got out of the car under water and then dove down to try to rescue Mary Jo is impossible. Markham and Gargan's claims that they kept diving after Mary Jo are also unbelievable.
              The evidence for the Cutler scenario is substantial. It begins with the marks on the bridge and the position of the car in the water. The marks show that the car was standing still on the bridge and then accelerated off the edge, moving at a much higher speed than Kennedy claimed. The distance the car travelled in the air also confirms this. The damage to the car on two sides and on top plus the damage to the windshield and the rear view mirror stanchion [3] prove that some of the damage had to have been inflicted before the car left the bridge.
              The blood on the back and on the sleeves of Mary Jo's blouse proves that a wound was inflicted before she left the bridge.[4] The alcohol in her bloodstream proves she was drugged, since all witnesses testified she never drank and did not drink that night. The fact that she was in the back seat when her body was recovered indicates that is where she was when the car hit the water. There was no way she could have dived downward against the inrushing water and moved from the front to the back seat underneath the upside-down seat back.
              The wounds on the back of Ted Kennedy's skull, those just above his ear and the large bump on the top indicate he was knocked out. His actions at the hotel the next morning show he was not aware of Mary Jo's death until Markham and Gargan arrived. The trip to the pay phone on Chappaquiddick can only be explained by his receiving a call there, not making one. There were plenty of pay phones in or near Ted's hotel if he needed to make a private call. The tides in the channel and the direction in which Ted claimed he swam do not match. In addition it would have been a superhuman feat to have made it across the channel (as proven by several professionals who subsequently tried it).
              Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look's testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted's car with Mary Jo at 12:45 PM. The three party members walking along the road south toward the cottage confirmed the time that Mr. Look drove by. He stopped to ask if they needed a ride. Look says that just prior to that he encountered Ted's car parked facing north at the juncture of the main road and the dirt road. It was on a short extension of the north-south section of the road junction to the north of the "T". He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat. He remembered a portion of the license plate which matched Ted's car, as did the description of the car. Markham, Gargan and Ted's driver's testimony show that someone they talked to in the pitch black night sounded like Ted and was about his height and build.
              None of the above evidence was ever explained by Ted or by anyone else at the inquest or at the hearing on the case demanded by district attorney Edward Dinis. No autopsy was ever allowed on Mary Jo's body (her family objected), and Ted made it possible to fly her body home for burial rather quickly. Kennedy haters have seized upon Chappaquiddick to enlarge the sexual image now being promoted of both Ted and Jack Kennedy. Books like "Teddy Bare" take full advantage of the situation.
              Just which operatives in the Power Control Group at the high levels or the lower levels were on Chappaquiddick Island? No definite evidence has surfaced as yet, except for an indication that there was at least one woman and at least three men, one of whom resembled Ted Kennedy and who sounded like him in the darkness. However, two pieces of testimony in the Watergate hearings provide significant clues as to which of the known JFK case conspirators may have been there.
              E. Howard Hunt told of a strange trip to Hyannisport to see a local citizen there about the Chappaquiddick incident. Hunt's cover story on this trip was that he was digging up dirt on Ted Kennedy for use in the 1972 campaign. The story does not make much sense if one questions why Hunt would have to wear a disguise, including his famous red wig, and to use a voice-alteration device to make himself sound like someone else. If, on the other hand, Hunt's purpose was to return to the scene of his crime just to make sure that no one who might have seen his group at the bridge or elsewhere would talk, then the disguise and the voice box make sense.
              The other important testimony came from Tony Ulasewicz who said he was ordered by the Plumbers to fly immediately to Chappaquiddick and dig up dirt on Ted. The only problem Tony has is that, according to his testimony, he arrived early on the morning of the "accident", before the whole incident had been made public. Ulasewicz is the right height and weight to resemble Kennedy and with a CIA voice-alteration device he presumably could be made to sound like him. There is a distinct possibility that Hunt and Tony were there when it happened.
              The threats by the Power Control Group, the frame-up at Chappaquiddick, and the murders of Jack and Bobby Kennedy cannot have failed to take their toll on all of the Kennedys. Rose, Ted, Jackie, Ethel and the other close family members must be very tired of it all by now. They can certainly not be blamed for hoping it will all go away. Investigations like those proposed by Henry Gonzalez and Thomas Downing only raised the spectre of the powerful Control Group taking revenge by kidnapping some of the seventeen children.
              It was no wonder that a close Kennedy friend and ally in California, Representative Burton, said that he would oppose the Downing and Gonzalez resolutions unless Ted Kennedy put his stamp of approval on them. While the sympathies of every decent American go out to them, the future of our country and the freedom of the people to control their own destiny through the election process mean more than the lives of all the Kennedys put together. If John Kennedy were alive today he would probably make the same statement.
              John Dean summed it up when he said to Richard Nixon as recorded on the White House tapes in 1973: "If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick. . . ."[5]


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      1. The fabulous Jackie -- Christian Cafarakis -- Productions de Paris -- 1972

      2. You the Jury -- Robert Cutler -- Self Published -- 1974

      3. A rope attached to the stick which held the Oldsmobile throttle wide open caught the drivers rear view mirror and tore it loose so that it was hanging by the rear bolt. There was no other mark on the left side of the car.

      4. A sliver of glass from two broken windows no doubt caused this bleeding since Mary Jo was already face down and unconscious in the rear seat. Since there was no autopsy this clean cut went unnoticed by the embalmers.

      5. On page 121, White House Tapes Paperback Edition, published by New York Times

  • Chappaquiddick: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA!

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=10111

    The following letter is how the CIA framed Ted Kennedy at
    Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe to stop him from
    ever running for present of the United States.

    Ted Kennedy. In the CIA files in the Don Bolles papers was the
    files on the framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Marry Joe
    Kopechne at Chappaquiddick by the CIA. In the CIA files that
    George Bush had removed from the CIA was Ted Kennedy's file.

    After the CIA had assassinated John F. Kennedy and framed
    Oswald for the assassination and after the CIA had assassinated
    Robert Kennedy and framed Sirhan Sirhan for the assassination
    they needed a way of stopping the last Kennedy brother from ever
    running for the presidency of the United States. They believed that
    if they killed him it would look like the CIA had assassinated all the
    brothers so the CIA decided to allow him to live and to discredit
    him to stop him from being reelected by framing him at
    Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne. By doing
    this the CIA planned on stopping him from ever becoming president
    of the United States of America. The following is how the CIA
    framed Ted kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne at
    Chappaquiddick.

    I no longer remember all of the details because of the constant
    electronic torture of me which is still being used against me to
    limit my freedom of speech and damage my memory and ability
    to write using electronic torture and sleep deprivation. The
    following is what I still can remember while I'm being kept
    disabled and in a electronically drugged state. Ted Kennedy and
    the other couple were at the cabin and Ted Kennedy and Mary
    Jo Kopechne were getting ready to leave. The CIA had drugged
    one of the bottles that they were drinking from. I do not remember
    all the details but I do remember that the bottle had a drug put into
    it which would result in Ted Kennedy and Mary Joe Kopechne
    becoming unconscious after drinking from drinks poured from the
    bottle. I remember that just before they left they all drank a drink
    that had been poured from the bottle. I believe it was a toast.

    Ted Kennedy and the May Joe Kopechne left and started back
    with Ted driving. On the road on the way back was barricades
    and a detour sign that the CIA had put into place directing Ted
    down the road they needed him on to conduct their planed murder
    of Mary Joe. The CIA had positioned one car ahead of Ted's car
    and another car was behind him. As soon as Ted entered the
    detour the CIA moved the barricades to block off where he had
    turned down so no else could come down the road until after they
    had taken over Ted and his car. Ted was monitored the entire time
    by the CIA. Mary Joe had passed out from the drug and Ted was
    starting to pass out. The CIA car in front of Ted's car slowed down
    so they could use their car to stop Ted's car from crashing as Ted
    passed out. This worked fine and they were able to stop Ted's car.
    After they got the car stopped they took Mary Joe and placed her
    in the back seat and took Ted to the other car. Then two CIA
    operatives replaced Ted and Mary Joe with the man in the driver
    seat and a women operative replacing Mary Joe in the front seat.
    Then all three cars proceeded to the bridge and as they drove they
    called back by radio and the gave the orders in code to remove the
    barricades.

    The constable for that area was one of the CIA operatives in
    charge of the operation. I still see him on TV saying how Ted
    got away with murder. This constable was the person that set
    up the car to go off the bridge which resulted in the death of Mary
    Joe. He first prepared everything to make it look like Ted and her
    were having an affair and that was why they turned down that road.
    They were not having an affair. When they got to the bridge they
    set up the car to send it off the bridge with Mary Joe still in the car.

    The drug they had used was a special drug that would not show up
    in the autopsy report because she would never be tested for that
    drug. They had also planned on her stomach being full of water after
    the crash. After rigging the gas pedal and steering and sending the
    car off the bridge the car would not sink and floated nose down in
    the water and was starting to float away. They got a rope on the car
    and held it in place and one of them had to swim out to the car and
    open the door to get it to sink It took the CIA 20 to 30 minutes to
    make the car sink where they needed it to rest on the bottom.

    They then prepared Ted Kennedy for the water. They put a injury
    on him but I do not remember in detail what the injury was but it
    was to make it look like that he was in the crash and was driving
    the car that killed Mary Joe. They then took Ted Kennedy's body
    out into the water on the side of the bridge and propped him up
    with one of the CIA operatives holding him from behind. Another
    CIA agent then injected him in the neck with the antidote to the drug
    they had used on him. Ted Kennedy then slowly showed signs of
    recovering. The antidote was mixed with another drug to make
    Ted Kennedy confused and disorientated. They then got out of the
    water and watched to make sure Ted didn't drown before he
    recovered enough to get out of the water.

    Ted Kennedy stumbled out of the water and tried to figure out
    what had happened. He finally figured out that the car was under
    water in the pond and he had no ideal of what happened. It took
    him some time to recover enough to leave to search for help and
    he was still badly disorientated from the drugs they used on him.
    He was not drunk and had only had one or two drinks and Mary
    Joe had only one drink and if I remember correctly she did not
    drink all of it.

    The CIA monitored and filmed all of this. As soon as Ted Kennedy
    left to try to find help the CIA moved in and cleaned up all the
    evidence to make sure it looked like an accident.

    The next events are all history. They asked Ted Kennedy what
    happened and he replied that he did not know and that Mary
    Joe must of been driving the car. He didn't know because he
    was not driving and was unconscious. The press and others then
    attacked him and set it up to make it look like he was lying to get
    out of the death of Mary Joe. At that time Ted Kennedy was
    forced to take full responsibility with him not having any memory
    of the accident. The papers and others then printed stories of how
    she was pregnant which she wasn't and of how Ted was drunk
    which he wasn't and of how the Kennedy's were buying their way
    out of what had happened which they weren't.

    The investigation into the crash was not real it was only the
    framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne.

    The CIA assumed that by framing Ted Kennedy that they had
    assured that Ted Kennedy would no longer be electable and that
    they could force him out of the public eye and out of their hair. To
    the amazement of the CIA it did not work and Ted was repeatedly
    reelected to public office.

    Ted Kennedy was now back fighting for Human Rights, Civil Rights
    and the American people as his brothers had before him. The CIA
    was now desperate to remove him from the public eye but it was not
    acceptable to assassinate him because they believed that it may
    interfere with the on going cover-up of the assassinations of his
    brothers. If all three brothers died in public office no reasonable
    person would believe that it was not the CIA that did it. They needed
    another way of disabling him to remove him as a threat to their
    empire. The director of the CIA George Bush in 1976 came up with
    the way of doing this. The new remote controlled electronic torture
    devices that the CIA had designed were now in service and when
    used with a bugging device built into them they could be used to
    remove targeted people under the protection of a warrant in an
    investigation and under the color of law.

    The Next operation we had was the framing of Ted Kennedy as
    being a drug dealer to authorize the use of these new electronic
    bugging and torture devices to disable him. We even had the file
    on the briefing to the federal Judge for the warrant to be used
    against him. The following was in the briefing to the judge. Your
    honor what is so unbelievable that Ted Kennedy is involved in
    the drug trade, after all his father was a boot legger.

    The CIA had failed in removing Ted Kennedy as a Senator
    from Massachusetts. Even after they discredited him before
    the people by framing him at Chappaquiddick for the death
    of Mary Joe Kopechne and even after they attacked him
    repeatedly in the press and news, he was still repeatedly
    reelected to the Senate by the people of Massachusetts.
    The CIA did not like this at all and the CIA still felt that Ted
    Kennedy was a great threat to their assassinations, drug
    running and other illegal operations. They then started on a new
    way of controlling Ted Kennedy. This new mode of control was
    to be by the use of electronic stimulation of his mind and body
    by the CIA to remove him as a threat to their covert operations
    within the government. They first placed him under constant
    surveillance and monitored his phones, mail and they even bugged
    his cars and everything else they could monitor. All information
    at this time was being illegally collected and that made it unusable
    in the News Papers or in the courts. They decided that the best
    way of authorizing the legal bugging of Ted Kennedy would be to
    frame him as being a drug trafficker. To do this they first needed
    evidence to present to one of the corrupt judges that they
    controlled to obtain a warrant to monitor Ted Kennedy. They
    collected his garbage and even followed him when he went on
    week end outings in boats and other places.

    They took sandwich bags from his garbage and from his boating
    trips and checked these sandwich bags for his fingerprints. In
    time they obtained some plastic sandwich bags with Ted
    Kennedy's finger prints on the bags. They then proceeded to
    clean the inside of these bags and then placed drugs into the
    cleaned bags. These plastic bags now filled with drugs were then
    given to a drug dealer that the DEA controlled and the bags were
    then busted in a drug bust with Ted Kennedy's finger prints on
    the bags.

    The CIA had also designed a way of removing finger prints using
    a special tape that they had developed and then reinstalling these
    finger prints on other things as needed to target innocent targeted
    people. I believe that this process was also used in the framing
    of Ted Kennedy but I do not remember enough of this part of the
    files to be 100% certain.

    Now there was usable evidence for a real warrant and the DEA
    could now takeover the operations from the CIA against Ted
    Kennedy and do these covert operations under the cover of a
    warrant in an investigation and under the protection of the law.
    They then continued to frame Ted Kennedy as being involved in
    the drug trade to further authorize the bugging and control of and
    over him by the CIA using their covert operation the DEA to gather
    the need evidence to frame Ted Kennedy as being involved in the
    drug trade.

    In the CIA and the DEA files we had where the orders from
    George Bush for the bugging of Ted Kennedy using the new CIA
    control, torture and monitoring devices. They had determined that it
    was impossible to keep Ted Kennedy sick and disabled by just using
    the devices in his clothing. He had to many clothes and was always
    buying new clothes. The CIA and DEA researched if he wore any
    jewelry that he never took off that they could install the devices in or

    if there was any other way of controlling and bugging him without
    injecting Ted Kennedy with implants.

    When I was reading the files George Bush had stated in them that
    he was paranoid that if they got caught using implants in Senators
    and Congressmen that the American People would no longer trust
    them and that the operation may backfire but to the best of my
    memory he did approve the use of the implants against Ted
    Kennedy which resulted in Ted Kennedy suffering horribly with
    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. This illness was an auto immune
    response from the bugging devices and was designed to so involve
    the targeted person in their own suffering and misery that they
    would no longer be of a threat to the CIA, DEA or others that
    were protected and above all laws.

    Ted Kennedy's Chronic fatigue Syndrome went away in 1991 or
    1992 because of my work with the FBI against the DEA and CIA.
    I am uncertain if Ted Kennedy was injected with electronic implants
    or if they used electronic devices in his clothing and jewelry to keep
    him sick, disabled and under their control all of those years as they
    monitored, tortured and controlled him. My direct information on
    Ted Kennedy ended in 1977.

    Charles Schlund a political prisoner of the United States

  • http://www.geocities.com/zzzpeace/nixon.htm

    "They schemed to plant McGovern campaign literature in the apartment of Art Brehmer, the would-be assassin of George Wallace, and the evidence strongly suggests they probably even schemed to assassinate Ted Kennedy, and after having failed, they blamed the fortunate survivor for the death of unintended victim, Mary Jo Kopechne.

    Indeed, Nixon's memoirs are littered with evidence that as far as he was concerned, Chappaquiddick was nothing more than an election issue, it had nothing to do with a tragic murder. To quote Richard Nixon directly:

        In the short term, I knew that Chappaquiddick would undermine Kennedy's role as a leader of the opposition to the administration's policies. In the longer term, it would be one of his greatest liabilities if he decided to run for President in 1972.

        It was clear that the full story of what had happened that night on Chappaquidick had not come out, [how did he know, did his plan misfire?] and I suspected that the press would not try very hard to uncover it. Therefore I told Ehrlichman to have someone investigate the case for us and get the real facts out. [we all know what that means in Nixon-speak.] "Don't let up on this for a minute," I said. "Just put yourself in their place if something like that happened to us." In fact, our private investigator was unable to turn out anything besides rumors.

    Needless to say, the truth was damaging to Richard Nixon, because if it wasn't, he would not have to rely on rumors about Chappaquiddick , for political advantage. The truth is, Nixon feared another Kennedy candidacy and Chappaquiddick was Richard Nixon's failed attempt to assassinate yet another political rival."
  • JFKRFK4Ever wrote:

    Chappaquiddick: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA!

    It sounds really plausible to me. Please feel free to discuss your views. Please be fair.

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html#fn5

    In all fairness, ;) this version of events seems almost unbelievably complicated to me. It could be true - who knows?
    Ted himself, his friends and advisors, and the family know, of course, but they've consistently gone along with all the assassination coverups. They might just as well be part of the Power Control Group, themselves, if in fact they're not.)

    Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look's testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted's car with Mary Jo at 12:45 PM. ...He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat.

    Have you seen this version of the story, which would also fit in with Sheriff Look's testimony?

    "At some point in the evening, feeling more than a little under the weather, Mary Jo wandered outside, saw Kennedy's car and crawled into the back seat to sleep it off.

    At some later point, Kennedy and the woman who told me this story got in his car and headed for a more private party a deux. They were both, shall we say, plastered.

    After the car went off the bridge, Kennedy's primary goal was to get his female companion the hell out of the picture. His wife was at home, after all, and pregnant to boot.

    Here's the punch line: they didn't know Mary Jo was in the car."
    http://dailysally.blogspot.com/2006/01/my-ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick-story.html

    That's a lot simpler, but of course that doesn't make it true, either.

    I'm not at all impressed by the Kennedy family's contribution to American politics since 1968. Even then, when I was a teenager, I remember being disgusted by RFK's jumping onto the antiwar bandwagon at the expense of Eugene McCarthy. Of course, I still would've been thrilled to see RFK beat Tricky Dick... In general, I've never felt that Ted was cut from quite the same cloth as his brothers, (Despite all their flaws, there was "something about them" that Edward just doesn't have, IMO)

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    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmY_8TWtY5H8uNRYWky_QFzs9p3wD8UED1IG2

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    In all fairness, ;) this version of events seems almost unbelievably complicated to me. It could be true - who knows?
    Ted himself, his friends and advisors, and the family know, of course, but they've consistently gone along with all the assassination coverups. They might just as well be part of the Power Control Group, themselves, if in fact they're not.)

    Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look's testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted's car with Mary Jo at 12:45 PM. ...He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat.

    Have you seen this version of the story, which would also fit in with Sheriff Look's testimony?

    "At some point in the evening, feeling more than a little under the weather, Mary Jo wandered outside, saw Kennedy's car and crawled into the back seat to sleep it off.

    At some later point, Kennedy and the woman who told me this story got in his car and headed for a more private party a deux. They were both, shall we say, plastered.

    After the car went off the bridge, Kennedy's primary goal was to get his female companion the hell out of the picture. His wife was at home, after all, and pregnant to boot.

    Here's the punch line: they didn't know Mary Jo was in the car."
    http://dailysally.blogspot.com/2006/01/my-ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick-story.html

    That's a lot simpler, but of course that doesn't make it true, either.

    I'm not at all impressed by the Kennedy family's contribution to American politics since 1968. Even then, when I was a teenager, I remember being disgusted by RFK's jumping onto the antiwar bandwagon at the expense of Eugene McCarthy. Of course, I still would've been thrilled to see RFK beat Tricky Dick... In general, I've never felt that Ted was cut from quite the same cloth as his brothers, (Despite all their flaws, there was "something about them" that Edward just doesn't have, IMO)



    I really don't view it as them going along with the coverups at all. I think they simply want it all to go away and it seems to me that they've been bullied into keeping quiet. Those are just my feelings on the matter. Anyway it does seem complicated but I think the way JFK was assassinated is even more complicated considering the elements of our own gov't that were involved. Also I don't find it sucha  stretch of the imagination to think they did all this to Ted considering what they did to his brothers.

    Anyway thanks for checkin my thread out. I just found all of this interesting and thought I'd post it.  ;D
  • JFKRFK4Ever wrote:

    I really don't view it as them going along with the coverups at all. I think they simply want it all to go away and it seems to me that they've been bullied into keeping quiet. Those are just my feelings on the matter. Anyway it does seem complicated but I think the way JFK was assassinated is even more complicated considering the elements of our own gov't that were involved. Also I don't find it such a stretch of the imagination to think they did all this to Ted considering what they did to his brothers.

    Anyway thanks for checkin my thread out. I just found all of this interesting and thought I'd post it
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    Martin Luther King Jr's family openly rejected the official coverup of MLK's murder, (and survived) why can't the Kennedys do the same? If JFK Jr was assassinated as well, it only proves that the family's long silence hasn't bought them any safety at all. If they actually know something and have deliberately held back, they've only helped the killers of their own family members escape punishment, at the expense of their country; not exactly a "profile in courage." Another way to look at it is that they're a rich establishment family, and as such they're willing to take their lumps - and keep their mouths shut - in order to retain their position among the ruling elite.

    I don't see why Ted Kennedy would've posed such a big threat to Nixon (or Nixon's bosses) in 1969 that they'd feel they had to "take him out" at that time. The '72 election was a long way off, and there was no way of knowing if Ted would even run for president. It's entirely possible that Nixon, as the incumbent, would've beaten him if he had. Can you imagine Nixon's triumphant glee if he'd stomped a Kennedy in '72? (I cast my first presidential vote for George McGovern that year, btw, starting a long personal tradition of voting for losers. ;)

    I did some reading at the Chappaquiddick site you mentioned, http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=c2fe584db0cbbe71ed4a8142b7e72e7f&showforum=239 and saw an interesting question that a fellow named Ron Eckar had asked. (I'd wondered the same thing) "I've been thinking about a problem with the theory that Ted was set up and Mary Jo murdered. How would the killers know that Ted and Mary Jo would leave the party together? Or how could they possibly arrange for them to do so?" Were they psychic?

    I think the Kennedy's endorsement of Obama only shows how "mainstream establishment" they are, which goes back to what I said about them being members of the ruling elite. I'm not denigrating JFK or RFK when I say that. I think that while Jack and Bobby started out as run of the mill "cold warriors," that they both rose above that and did indeed become threats to the powers that be. (Which, imho, is probably why they're dead and Teddy isn't)

    Again, I'm always (well, maybe not always) the first to admit that I could be full of... beans. I enjoyed reading the posts and debates at the Chappaquiddick site, BUT, I also wasted something like two hours at the hypnotically morbid "Find a Death.com," and it's all your fault!  ;)

    http://www.leary.com/

  • lol sorry bout that. Anyway it's funny you should mention JFK Jr. I have some stuff about that as well and I'll post it here in a few minutes.

    To respond to the points you made. I completely understand everything you said. I can't answer all of the questions because I just started reading about the whole Chappaquiddick thing. I also don't know how they would knowTed and Mary would leave together if in fact it was a setup.  I am still trying to make sense of all the articles I found. But I appreciate you bringing up all of these points. It helps to keep me grounded when people challenge me.

  • JFKRFK4Ever wrote:

    Anyway it's funny you should mention JFK Jr. I have some stuff about that as well and I'll post it here in a few minutes.

    I saw that at WRH, too. Accidents happen, planes crash, BUT why did the mainstream media put out so many contradictory versions of events, and tell so many blatant lies? (About the weather conditions, etc) Very, very, fishy. I've also read that JFK jr. might have been planning a run for senator from New York in 2000, which would have pitted him against Hillary Clinton. I personally believe that Hillary is the NWO's chosen successor to Bush 2, and that those plans were made long ago. JFK jr could've fouled that up, if he'd lived. I also believe that Gore and Kerry deliberately threw the 2000 and 2004 elections. (Now you know how crazy I am, right?) 

    Have you seen this, yet?

    Clinton's LBJ Comments Infuriated Ted Kennedy
    There's more to Sen. Edward Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama than meets the eye. Apparently, part of the reason why the liberal lion from Massachusetts embraced Obama was because of a perceived slight at the Kennedy family's civil rights legacy by the other Democratic presidential primary frontrunner, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

    Sources say Kennedy was privately furious at Clinton for her praise of President Lyndon Baines Johnson for getting the 1964 Civil Rights Act accomplished. Jealously guarding the legacy of the Kennedy family dynasty, Senator Kennedy felt Clinton's LBJ comments were an implicit slight of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, who first proposed the landmark civil rights initiative in a famous televised civil rights address in June 1963.
    http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/clinton-aid-makes-crack-about.html

    To respond to the points you made. I completely understand everything you said. I can't answer all of the questions because I just started reading about the whole Chappaquiddick thing. I also don't know how they would knowTed and Mary would leave together if in fact it was a setup.  I am still trying to make sense of all the articles I found. But I appreciate you bringing up all of these points. It helps to keep me grounded when people challenge me.

    I've learned a lot from being challenged in different newsgroups and forums over the last ten years. It makes you think and do more research.

    PS - If you ever feel like I'm being an obnoxious A-hole, please let me know, that's (usually) not my intention! ;)
  • Nah you're fine (so far)  ;D

    Anyway what I don't get is if Teddy was as drunk as they said he was how was he able to get out of a car that was underwater like that? Overturned underwater no less.
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    Anyway what I don't get is if Teddy was as drunk as they said he was how was he able to get out of a car that was underwater like that? Overturned underwater no less.



    That's a good point. I dunno...
  • MinMMinM
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    Remember that Teddy was nearly taken out less than a year after John:

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    Sen. Edward M. Kennedy smiles and waves a bandaged hand from the back of an ambulance in this July 9, 1964 file photo, after being transferred from Northampton, Mass. to New England Baptist Hospital, in Boston to treat injuries sustained in a private airplane crash. Medical Corpsman Roger Eckert, of Buffalo, N.Y., left, helps the senator move. Kennedy underwent surgery Friday Oct. 12, 2007 to repair a partially blocked artery in his neck, which was discovered during an examination of a back injury from the 1964 plane crash.


    Real History Blog: Sen. Edward Kennedy's Plane Downed by Lightning?
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    Democratic Underground - Ted Kennedy survived a fatal plane crash in 1964. - Democratic Underground

    Operation Sandwedge
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    Soon after he took office Nixon established Operation Sandwedge. Organized by H. R. Haldeman  and John Ehrlichman, the two main field officers were Jack Caulfield and Anthony Ulasewicz. Operation Sandwedge involved a secret investigation of Edward Kennedy. Caulfield later admitted that Ulasewicz’s reports on Kennedy went to three people: Nixon, Chotiner and Bebe Rebozo...
  • I could understand how Hillary's comment would upset Ted. It was JFK that started that Civil Rights bill. Also considering how LBJ had something to do with his brother's death I would think something was wrong with him if he wasn't upset by her comments. Just my thoughts on the subject.

    Anyway I still believe that he was framed somehow. It's just a gut feeling I have.
  • MinMMinM
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  • "• A month before Ted Kennedy's Chappaquiddick incident Mae warned his office of "the nest of rattlesnakes" that surrounded him and his upcoming bid for the White House." -- http://projectcamelot.org/brussell.html

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    Mae Brussell -Ted Kennedy Framed at Chappaquiddick- (7-28-71)" --


    I ran into this notion a few weeks ago, and this thread reminded me of it.

    "Her ability to analyze events this way made her prescient, as when she warned Mary Jo Kopechne’s family that she was about to be killed shortly before Chappaquidick...." --https://joegreenjfk.wordpress.com/tag/mae-brussell/

    I can't confirm the latter statement. Anyone know anything about this? I haven't listened to the YouTube program. Perhaps there's something there.